Message Boards that Perpetuate the Disrespect of Kmtyw People and Traditions!!-gctid25529

[pain]

Yeah man, so there I was, battlin' against the odds. Some guy comes into a thread on Kmtyw Spiritual Systems. I made a post about a website I came upon where it was a krakka wench heading up a "shrine house" if you will in Haiti!! So this guy comes in and he actually supports krakkas in our "spiritual systems." I make sure to point out that we're talking about people who are telling us that Yemaya is a lesbian, Esu is the devil and Osun "only" likes for homosexuals to $%@# in front of her shrine!!! This dude still defends the krakkas. He says he don't think they should be allowed into our traditions but that the ones who are already here, such as the ones promoting all of the aforementioned nonsense, should not be challenged. He practices Palo and starts talkin' bout if we go against these krakkas we'll be in for WHATEVER because they got all these powerful spirits or what have you backing them.

So, me and a sistren named Akuabarca (hint hint) are in there doing our best to defend the integrity of our traditions. He starts making threats at the sistren like if she wasn't behind the computer screen but instead in person, he would do something to her. Furthermore he's talkin' like he's gonna send "spirits", which I call woman beating punk spirits, after her.

So ofcourse then I really start going at him, but yet and still it's moreso in defense of Kmtyw people and our traditions. I defend the sistren of course. Then a moderator begins to come into the thread and she's talking to us like we all are at fault. She points out some rule about how we're suppose to be able to debate with each other even with disagreements but we're not suppose to say anything to devalue the integrity of certain ideologies, Kmtyw traditions and so on. This moderator says that it's the posts of Akuabarca and myself that were actually in the realm of violation of the rules.

I skillfully point out the error in this. This character that invaded the thread is witnessed making yet another physical threat. I point it out to this moderator and the moderator responds basically saying that I had been saying the same things to him. I reply and ask her to show me where. That post gets deleted!!

So then the thread gets put into the "Contested Zone" (yet another hint hint). Once there, I make one final reply where I basically stated that if a disorderly person comes into the community we are suppose to expel them, not tolerate them. If someone invades the community and rapes a woman the response by those who have the power to exact justice should not be to tell everyone, the rape victim as well, to "work it out." If someone invades the community and molests a child, the response by those who have the power to exact justice should not be to tell everyone, the molested child included, to "find a way to work it out." The response should match the crime. In a online forum situation, you expel people who disrespect Kmtyw people and traditions when there is a rule that this is not to be done. Furthermore, he should have been removed from the very first time he threatened the sister with violence.

Take Assata Shakur for example. If we are in a position where we are suppose to be protecting that matriarch, would we allow someone to outright threaten her with physical violence and then simply tell her to "work it out"? This is hypocritical!!

Anyway, after I made those statements in the "Contested Zone", for some reason I can no longer get back into that thread.

All and all I felt more undermined and disrespected ultimately by the "powers that be" at that site. They stood neutral in the presence of the defacement of our spiritual systems.

Ya'll may need a "Get it off ya Chest" section on this site, but I thought this was the most appropriate section given my choices. I definitely think that this type of behavior promotes/ perpetuates the oppression of Kmtyw people spiritually and maybe even in other areas as well.

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

There is a reason why many Kmtyws who used to be a part of that message board left to come and found this one.

Wagâmbula mbôngi, vo k'u zoba ko, kânda lwèngisi.
 
You create your own Mbôngi (public forum); If you do so without being a "lunatic", you are warning the community government and its leadership.

[olufemi_baina_ayo]

The difference between the Assata forum and this one is that we learn more about the Motherland than those of us who were at Assata. I departed from there because it was always the same problems in Amerikkka,when we all should be directing our energies towards learning about Kmt. This site also has much more to offer because it is not just a message forum; it is also a language institute,where we can speak about everything Kmtyw,even the ancient religions without being asked if it has anything to do with liberation.

When I came here, I knew immediately that I would learn more about Kmt than I did on Assata,and arriving here also fueled my interest in speaking Yoruba,which I'm currently teaching myself,and learning more languages in the future.

[Awotunde]

Beeni Oluko Obadele. Beeni!

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

Recommendation:

There are several folks who go between this board and that board. No problem there. However, I wouldn't like to see this board to become a place where folks vent about anti-Kmtyw activities on the other board and then masochistically return back there only to come back here wounded yet again and venting about it. If you feel like that board is perpetuates the Disrespect of Kmtyw people and Traditions, my humble recommendation is to leave it alone.

Although I am a former admin there and I am still listed as the top poster over there, I quit last September and I haven't put one single post up there since then as I don't want to lend validation and creditability to something that I think is not about Kmtyw Liberation in any area. I came to the conclusion that what I thought was a portal to Kmtyw liberation that I had put much time and energy into turned out to be a thin veneer of Red Black and Green paint on a porcelain white toilet bowl that was smearing $#!+ on the name of an Kmtyw heroine. When I expressed the contradictions there, I had stories made up about me, letting me know that it wasn't about truth. That's all I needed to know. I haven't looked back since.

In the final analysis, if you think that you can contribute to Kmtyw liberation there, then by all means do so. I made the personal decision that there is no way for me to contribute to Kmtyw liberation in the midst of such internal contradictions that are not challenged, but rather upheld as though they were sacred. You do not have to make that same decision, but I am just expressing that I don't want this forum to become the vent about YET ANOTHER anti-Kmtyw episode on ASF that some of my original fellow refugees and escapees know I do NOT want to hear about AT ALL as these episodes are diversions and distractions from the work of Kmtyw Liberation. All of my fellow refugees are welcome, but let's let what goes on back at the insane asylum stay at the insane asylum.

Æbádélé Kwame

[pain]

Well aiight then Obadele, but tell me this then man. Do you know how to transfer rep points from other boards to this one? Is there a carry-over option? I had a "brilliant future" over there. Madafack, my reputation there was "beyond repute" before some attack on the site that destroyed a lot of posts. Now, I'm ova here and it's like I'm starting from scratch!!

And the laaaast thing I want is pity points so if ya gimmie pity points make sure you tell me it's not because of pity but rather because of "random endearing adjective."

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

pain wrote: Well aiight then Obadele, but tell me this then man. Do you know how to transfer rep points from other boards to this one? Is there a carry-over option? I had a "brilliant future" over there. Madafack, my reputation there was "beyond repute" before some attack on the site that destroyed a lot of posts. Now, I'm ova here and it's like I'm starting from scratch!!

And the laaaast thing I want is pity points so if ya gimmie pity points make sure you tell me it's not because of pity but rather because of "random endearing adjective."

LOL, you funny! BTW there was no attack there. An admin goofed up when he tried to erase another former admin's posts and rep points so he could be "top warrior" over there. (Can you believe that? Folks fighting over internet titles and recognition!!! ). Fortunately, divine justice prevailed and instead of accomplishing his always underhanded and characterless goals, he ended up crashing the forum. I hear he's been pretty much ghost since that out of sheer shame, humiliation and embarrassment.

I can't help you there. Rep point currency as well as posts are non-transferrable. Unless you go to that admin and ask him where in cyberspace his jacked up jealousy induced results ended up.

Æbádélé

[olufemi_baina_ayo]

[ch390 wrote: kyeame Kwame]

Well aiight then Obadele, but tell me this then man. Do you know how to transfer rep points from other boards to this one? Is there a carry-over option? I had a "brilliant future" over there. Madafack, my reputation there was "beyond repute" before some attack on the site that destroyed a lot of posts. Now, I'm ova here and it's like I'm starting from scratch!!

And the laaaast thing I want is pity points so if ya gimmie pity points make sure you tell me it's not because of pity but rather because of "random endearing adjective."

LOL, you funny! BTW there was no attack there. An admin goofed up when he tried to erase another former admin's posts and rep points so he could be "top warrior" over there. (Can you believe that? Folks fighting over internet titles and recognition!!! ). Fortunately, divine justice prevailed and instead of accomplishing his always underhanded and characterless goals, he ended up crashing the forum. I hear he's been pretty much ghost since that out of sheer shame, humiliation and embarrassment.

I can't help you there. Unless you go to that admin and ask him where in cyberspace his jacked up jealousy induced results ended up.

Æbádélé

Wait a minute, brother Obadele. The last time I was there,I was told it was a hacker. How did you know that it was an admin's mistake & jealousy? So..thats how I lost half my rep points & my posts?! It doesn't matter..but to use the excuse that a hacker messed up the forum,when it really was pettiness...Hmmm very sneaky. I'm glad I left when I did.

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

Olufemi Baina Ayo wrote:

kyeame Kwame link=1175646293/0#6 date=1175781384]

Well aiight then Obadele, but tell me this then man. Do you know how to transfer rep points from other boards to this one? Is there a carry-over option? I had a "brilliant future" over there. Madafack, my reputation there was "beyond repute" before some attack on the site that destroyed a lot of posts. Now, I'm ova here and it's like I'm starting from scratch!!

And the laaaast thing I want is pity points so if ya gimmie pity points make sure you tell me it's not because of pity but rather because of "random endearing adjective."

LOL, you funny! BTW there was no attack there. An admin goofed up when he tried to erase another former admin's posts and rep points so he could be "top warrior" over there. (Can you believe that? Folks fighting over internet titles and recognition!!! ). Fortunately, divine justice prevailed and instead of accomplishing his always underhanded and characterless goals, he ended up crashing the forum. I hear he's been pretty much ghost since that out of sheer shame, humiliation and embarrassment.

I can't help you there. Unless you go to that admin and ask him where in cyberspace his jacked up jealousy induced results ended up.

Æbádélé

Wait a minute, brother Obadele. The last time I was there,I was told it was a hacker. How did you know that it was an admin's mistake & jealousy? So..thats how I lost half my rep points & my posts?! It doesn't matter..but to use the excuse that a hacker messed up the forum,when it really was pettiness...Hmmm very sneaky. I'm glad I left when I did.

Yes, I heard that was the story out there these days.

[olufemi_baina_ayo]

By the way,Obadele...since I like to write poetry..are you going to add a poetry forum anytime soon?

[Awotunde]

The oluko is right. This is a liberation forum indeed. However, it is good to expose the "fake coons" out there. This forum is real; about real deal practical Kmtyw stuff.

[maat_free]

uhuru sasa, it took me mad long to find this post, pain.

obadele: [ch390]bisafo[ch596] nto kwan (one who asks does not lose the way)

for those who don't know, akuabarca = akua maat free.

do not call me that here. that handle has been retired.

i just wanted to thank the brother pain and recognize his commitment to upholding the integrity of our thing.

but brother pain: i would be committing treason against black flesh and blood, spirit and truth, harmony and order, elders and babies if i EVER dragged you backward into a place like that to defend my honor.

they have a word for that, maybe even two: black collaborator & agent provocateur.

my perspective on the issue at hand: there IS no issue at hand.

obadele is right. it is a distraction.

kiss my face and call me beautiful, but if i EVER go backwards, you have my permission to whup my black bee-hind on back to the collective.

some folks (starting with self) need a tighten up. i keeps a wooden spoon in arms reach at all times. heads need their butts beat.

i'm trying to keep it light and humorous, but on the serious tip, it's true what they say about not lowering the collective vibration with foolishness. it must not be tolerated.

starting within self first.

N-E-way...

obadele & kala, dear Kmtyws. i know ya'll remember this tune:

        cointelpro....oh no-o-o-o....
       mi nuh waan nuh unauthorized bio
       cuz yuh an him a g*% d*mn liar
       oh no-no-no no, no oh-oh-oh...
        
       don't take mi picture wit de camera  
       and print it for the people on (the website)
       him try to mek i lower my standard
       oh no-o-o-o, no-o-o-o...

      (mitosis! meiosis! know your ledge!)

fahodie!  

[pain]

Akua Maat Free, you're HERE!!!!!!!!!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The integrity of Kmtyw culture will be maintained for sure!

[maat_free]

yaaaay is right!! so now, here we are in sanctuary, like we done escaped from the plantation. pain it is good to see the bredren. obadele i got your link for the mask.

http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/print/viewOnePrint.asp?item=1978.412.323&dep=5&viewMode=0§ion=description

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

akua maat free wrote: yaaaay is right!! so now, here we are in sanctuary, like we done escaped from the plantation. pain it is good to see the bredren. obadele i got your link for the mask.

http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/print/viewOnePrint.asp?item=1978.412.323&dep=5&viewMode=0§ion=description

Akua! I'll be phasing out the mask and I appreciate you pointing this out. I'm switching to a bronze of the Oni of Ife that I own personally to get rid of the mudfish=portuguese connection. Meda wo ase pa ara for pointing this out!

Obadele Kwame