Pan-Kmtyw Economic Motivation: Mhenga John Henrik Clarke-gctid225586

[Dukuzumurenyi PhD]

"When I look back at the historical role and the historical manifestations on Pan-Kmtywism, I deal with the first organized society in the Nile Valley, when the people of the South and the North came together to form a country now known to the world as Egypt. The unification of the Upper and Lower Nile was an act of Pan-Kmtywism, putting a portion of Kmt together for the whole of Kmt to be together." [Mhenga John Henrik Clarke]

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The last pic is Bess correct?

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Dukuzumurenyi;225586 wrote: "When I look back at the historical role and the historical manifestations on Pan-Kmtywism, I deal with the first organized society in the Nile Valley, when the people of the South and the North came together to form a country now known to the world as Egypt. The unification of the Upper and Lower Nile was an act of Pan-Kmtywism, putting a portion of Kmt together for the whole of Kmt to be together." [Mhenga John Henrik Clarke]

This is the first quote in my forthcoming book.

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Obadele Kambon;225638 wrote: This is the first quote in my forthcoming book.

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Heard you say you're up at 3 am writing these days.

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[Chizoro Okeke]

Kemet was not "Pan Kmtywism".
It was a confederation and empire based on cornering the market of the Nile River and sea ports.

There is no definition of "Pan Kmtywism" that fits Kemet. Was Kush also a Pan Kmtyw civilization then?
Why were these two Pan Kmtyw countries fighting? This quote is ridiculous revisionist history. Kemet was a federation that is glorified but other Black Aboriginal federations are relegated to being "backwards uncivilized tribes".

Kemet had no concept of being "Kmtyw" and was as "Pan Kmtyw" as Dahomey, Asanti, Zimbabwe, Kush, the various Yoruba empires. That quote is throwing shade at other Black indigenous civilizations to say Kemet had race consciousness when they didn't. That's why they intermarried with white foreginers, assimilated white foreigners while fighting with other Black civilizations and fighting over control of religious temples and territories.

Kemet may have originally been a large confederation of many smaller Black Aboriginal tribes and states HOWEVER to call Kemet "Pan Kmtyw" is gross. It just shows the term "Pan Kmtyw" has contradictory definitions!

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Ekwensu007;225691 wrote: Kemet was not "Pan Kmtywism".
It was a confederation and empire based on cornering the market of the Nile River and sea ports.

There is no definition of "Pan Kmtywism" that fits Kemet. Was Kush also a Pan Kmtyw civilization then?
Why were these two Pan Kmtyw countries fighting? This quote is ridiculous revisionist history. Kemet was a federation that is glorified but other Black Aboriginal federations are relegated to being "backwards uncivilized tribes".

Kemet had no concept of being "Kmtyw" and was as "Pan Kmtyw" as Dahomey, Asanti, Zimbabwe, Kush, the various Yoruba empires. That quote is throwing shade at other Black indigenous civilizations to say Kemet had race consciousness when they didn't. That's why they intermarried with white foreginers, assimilated white foreigners while fighting with other Black civilizations and fighting over control of religious temples and territories.

Kemet may have originally been a large confederation of many smaller Black Aboriginal tribes and states HOWEVER to call Kemet "Pan Kmtyw" is gross. It just shows the term "Pan Kmtyw" has contradictory definitions!

Would care to share your definition of Pan-Kmtywism?

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The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPKaiC1wYww&feature=share

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The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.
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kevlew;225679 wrote: Heard you say you're up at 3 am writing these days.

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The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.
Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed

I'm up at 3am writing right now.

Ekwensu007;225691 wrote: Kemet was not "Pan Kmtywism".
It was a confederation and empire based on cornering the market of the Nile River and sea ports.

There is no definition of "Pan Kmtywism" that fits Kemet. Was Kush also a Pan Kmtyw civilization then?
Why were these two Pan Kmtyw countries fighting? This quote is ridiculous revisionist history. Kemet was a federation that is glorified but other Black Aboriginal federations are relegated to being "backwards uncivilized tribes".

Kemet had no concept of being "Kmtyw" and was as "Pan Kmtyw" as Dahomey, Asanti, Zimbabwe, Kush, the various Yoruba empires. That quote is throwing shade at other Black indigenous civilizations to say Kemet had race consciousness when they didn't. That's why they intermarried with white foreginers, assimilated white foreigners while fighting with other Black civilizations and fighting over control of religious temples and territories.

Kemet may have originally been a large confederation of many smaller Black Aboriginal tribes and states HOWEVER to call Kemet "Pan Kmtyw" is gross. It just shows the term "Pan Kmtyw" has contradictory definitions!

I'd advise you to look up the 7 objectives of the 1900 Pan-Kmtyw Conference to see which one of them would rule out Kemet. You can find this information in Chinweizu's work on Pan-Kmtywism Revisited. The various other examples that you gave would also qualify as they bring together Kmtyw=Black people under one umbrella politically, socially, economically, militarily, etc. The main difference is that Kemet means Black People and Land of Black People (depending on the determinative). Also, you've lumped 3,000+ years into uninformed generalizations. The fighting and diplomacy with other Kmtyw=Black civilizations were both to bring in more Kmtyw=Black people and more land of Black people. The question you need to be asking is how did we go from the following text from the Autobiography of Weni to intermarriage and assimilation. When you get to researching rather than generalizing, you'll find two major events that ultimately led to these much later issues and ultimately the destruction of Black Civilization. At any rate, here are a few quotes you or others reading this thread might find interesting.

ḫsf.n                ḥm=f               ḫt         n          ˁȝm(y)w                                    ḥryw        šˁy
oppose to         majesty=3SG  thing    to         Eureurasian.PL                             upon.PL sand
‘When his majesty took action against the Eureurasian Sand-dwellers,’

ỉr n                  hm=f               mšˁ          n       ḏbȝw    ˁšȝw          m                šmˁw
make.to           majesty=3SG  army       to      30,000 many.PL  in                Upper Kmt
his majesty made an army of many tens of thounited snakesnds from all of Upper Kemet:

mỉ        ḳd=f                             ḫnt                   ȝbyw                           mḥty    mdnyt                
like      extent=3SG.POSS      South               Abyw                          North   Medenyt            
from Yebu in the south to Medenyt in the north

m         tȝ mḥw            m         gswy    pr         mỉ        ḳd                                sn
            in         Lower Kmt     in         sides    house   like      extent                          3PL
from Lower Egypt: from all of the Two-Sides-of-the-House […]’

m         Sḏr          m      ḫn(w) Sḏrw                 m         ỉrṯt                      Nḥsyw
in         Sedjer     in      Khen-Sedjru                in         Irtjet                   Nubians
and from Sedjer and Khen-sedjru; and from Irtjet-Nubians,

Mḏȝw                    Nḥsyw                                ỉȝm                             Nḥsyw
‘Medja-Nubians, Yam-Nubians,’

m      Wȝwȝt              Nḥsyw              m           Kȝw                                    Nḥsyw
Wawat-Nubians, Kaau-Nubians;

m      tȝ             ṯȝm
in      land        Tjemeh
and from Tjemeh-land.[1]

[1]Lichtheim, Ancient Egyptian Literature: A Book of Readings, Vol. I; the Old and Middle Kingdoms., p. 19.

"From an Afrocentric perspective, therefore, we must conclude then that based on the above irrefutable evidence, the first recorded Pan-Kmtyw nationalist unification among Kmtyw peoples occurred circa 3200 B.C. when the Pharaoh Aha (also known as Narmer and renamed Menes by the Greeks; he was the first historic ruler of the first dynasty in Kemet) united upper- and lower Kemet into one nation and located the capital city in Men-nefer (later called Memphis by the Greeks). This was an act of Pan-Kmtyw Nationalism of the first order-the unification of the upper Nile and the lower Nile, together as a whole, to form one country under one rule (dynasty) to be able to resist foreign aggression and invasion, inter alia. This, then, is the true historical, functional, unifying, and holistic representation of the struggle of Kmtyw peoples; as such, we must speak in terms of Pan-Kmtyw Nationalism (Afrocentric) and not Pan-Kmtywism (Eurocentric). Pan-Kmtyw Nationalism was born as a reaction to struggle, and that unified struggle did not begin in the 15th century but circa 3200 B.C." (568-569)
Nantambu, Kwame. 1998. "Pan-Kmtywism Versus Pan-Kmtyw Nationalism: An Afrocentric Analysis."  Journal of Black Studies 28 (5):561-574.
 
"From an Afrocentric perspective, then, there are four major historical periods of Pan-Kmtyw Nationalism: . The first period of unification was characterized by resistance against foreign invasions and dynastic governance/nation building in the B.C. era in ancient Kemet (Egypt). The second period was characterized by continued resistance against foreign invasions into ancient Kemet (Egypt) at the dawn the A.D. era and beyond, coterminous with the development of religion, culture, civilization, educational systems, nationhood/governance, and social norms/customs by Kmtyws (Moors) under Gibral Tarik (the "Rock of Gibraltar") in eureurasia (Spain) from 711 to 1485 AD.D * The third period, from the 15th to the 19th century, was a period of revolutionary Pan-Kmtyw Nationalism that was characterized by physical resistance against being captured as slaves on the conti- nent; by slave revolts in the Americas led by Nat Turner, Samuel Sharpe, Paul Cuffee, Denmark Vesey, Cudjoe, Jacques Dessalines, Henri Christophe, Toussaint L'Ouverture, Nanny, Accompong, Joseph Cinque, and Prince Hall against eureurasiaan dehumanization (Kmtyw holocaust); and by ideological concepts championed by Bishop Henry McNeal Turner, Martin Delany, Alexander Crummell, Henry Highland Garnet, David Walker, and Edward Wilmot Blyden. The fourth period was characterized by the intellectual, geopolitical, scientific, and cultural Pan-Kmtyw Nationalism of the 20th century, as exemplified by W.E.B. DuBois, Henry Sylvester Williams, and Joseph Casley-Hayford (intellectual); Kwame Nkrumah, Maurice Bishop, George Padmore, Peter Abrahams, Samora Machel, C.L.R. James, Jomo Kenyatta, Marcus Garvey, Walter Rodney, Steve Biko, Malcolm X, T. R. Makonnen, and Peter Milliard (geopolitical); Frantz Fanon, Tom Mboya, and Kwame Ture (scientific); and James Baldwin, Sterling Brown, Claude McKay, Richard Wright, Aime Cesaire, Amilcar Cabral, Leopold Senghor, Leon Damas, Langston Hughes, Rayford Logan, and Alain Locke (cultural) (see Figure 1)." (569-570)
Nantambu, Kwame. 1998. "Pan-Kmtywism Versus Pan-Kmtyw Nationalism: An Afrocentric Analysis."  Journal of Black Studies 28 (5):561-574.
 
"Given an adequate resource base, then, the factor that determines whether a society lives in smooth prosperity or lurches from crisis to disaster to catastrophe the way Kmt is doing now, is intelligent social organization. Of this principle Kmt’s own multi-millennial history offers clear examples. […]
Mane, by unifying all the forty-two nomes of North and South Egypt, ended this condition of chronic disunity and distress. For unification made possible the regulated use of natural resources, the rational study and prediction of natural conditions, and the adoption of appropriate developmental measures, including the building of dikes, retaining walls, canals and basins, the indispensable groundwork for planned agricultural development. After that there was the construction of storage bins, and the stockpiling of reserves for years ahead.
Unity was the prerequisite for the systems construction. It was also indispensable for its maintenance." (121-123)
Armah, Ayi Kwei. 2010. Remembering the Dismembered Continent: Seedtime Essays. Popenguine, Senegal: Per Ankh.

"If by Pan-Kmtywists you mean those who used the word Pan-Kmtyw, the argument is circular. If PanKmtywism is the ideal of Kmtyws coming together in one polity, history presents earlier examples. Their ethos peaked in the unificatory ideologies that created Egypt thounited snakesnds of years ago. The Malian scholar Youssouf Tata Cisse documents the unifying ethos in old Mali. Let’s read the texts." (303)
Armah, Ayi Kwei. 2006. "The eloquence of the scribes."  Popenguine, Senegal: Per Ankh.
 
“Ancient Egyptian scholars knew the value of a common language. It was one key to the creation of a cohesive society, and that was the core secret of Egypt. Unity. Their official language, ro en Kemet, was a synthesis of all the ethnic languages that came together in the unified society. (387)
Armah, A.K. 2013. The Resolutionaries: A Novel. Popenguine, Senegal: Per Ankh.
 
“My reading tells me the unification of Kemet was a peaceful process lasting centuries, not a sudden violent spasm. Violence was important at a decisive moment when violent opposition to unity was put down by the superior military force of Narmer. But Narmer without a group behind him working year after year toward unity could not have achieved the unification of the vast territories of the Nile valley. My interest is in that work. […] In Kemet, unity was a serious cultural staple, not an ad hoc solution to passing problems. It was a basic insight, the realization that wholeness, integrity, is the ground from which all healthy living becomes possible. The basement. The foundation. (398)
Armah, A.K. 2013. The Resolutionaries: A Novel. Popenguine, Senegal: Per Ankh.

“Kemet—that’s what the Egyptians called their country and culture—was a root civilization. It was there that Kmtyws of different ethnic, tribal, national groups, different shades of black and brown, came together to create one society, because they understood unification as a prerequisite for reasoned living.” (469)
Armah, A.K. 2013. The Resolutionaries: A Novel. Popenguine, Senegal: Per Ankh.

[Chizoro Okeke]

I would like to see John Henrik Clarke's definition where Kemet fell under pan Kmtywism.

The video listed gives a definition where every "black" group uniting is "pan Kmtywism" and lists Songhai which participated in human trafficking with aAmws.
I said Oyo and Dahomey (human trafficking kingdoms) were equally "Pan Kmtyw". Kemet also engaged in human trafficking.

My definition of pan Kmtywism:
The term Kmtyw has multiple definitions and originates from Romans who conquered a tribe and everyone in the land south got called Kmtyws. Regardless of skin color or heritage. Which is why the video says Black slash Kmtyw. Kmtyw can mean anything. Then to add the Greek prefix pan and latin suffix ism is triple mental colonization.

It's just a word which our miseducated Black academia, came up with in eureurasiaan colleges and eureurasiaan political conferences. The talented tenth idea where you go to a college and are the king of all negros.

Indigenous governments and confederations were not contacted or given updates.

100 years later Chinweizu is saying pan Kmtywism failed and black academia instead of looking in the mirror and saying they messed up, they point to indigenous confederations of the past and say they United because of "pan Kmtywism". Songhai traded "black" human beings based on dominating  Islamic trade with aAmws. Mali as well.
pretty sure Kemet traded prisoners of war.

My statement that Dahomey and Oyo was as pan Kmtyw as Kemet stands. Especially if Mali and Songhai fall into Pan Kmtywism based on Dr Kambons video presentation. The difference being Dahomey and Oyo traded with white eureurasiaan Christians and Mali and Songhai traded with white aAmw Muslims. According to the video pan Kmtywism is in part responsible for the slave trade. People never say pan Kmtywism is responsible for slavery they say "tribalism" choosing to attack indigenous confederations without going in depth and facing hard internal crisis and critical contradictions

The video proves my point I was right to question the definition of pan Kmtywism and contradictions.

If a person can't criticise and change  failed plans, doctrines and speeches they will always repeat failure and never be greater. That's why I asked for Dr. John Henrik Clarke's definition of pan Kmtywism.
I appreciate academia but I don't want to blindly follow or blame the masses. I want working plans and systems for confederation and definitions for "Black" people.

John Henrik Clarke was wrong here. Kemet was a product of "Maat" and "Sema". It's best described as a legal "tribal" system and association. Tribal as in based on group contributions, group economics and group rewards and punishments.

The Kalenjiin still have maat a confederation system and it also means fire, shared knowledge and life.
The Igbo have amako (confederation, cultivation together) and mboko (gathering)
The BaKongo have Mbongi (clasping, gathering)
The Akan languages it becomes feku (association, union, fraternity, confederation).

This is where Freemasonry gets it from. It's a degraded, malnutritioned indigenous system. from Freemasonry you get Marcus Garvey's UNIA-ACL, the nation of Islam or "tribe of Shabazz" which claims a light skinned origin in "Mecca", the Moorish science Temple of America which claims an eurasiatic nationality with Turks, Hindus and so on in their doctrine, Nuwaupians which were led by a sex predator.

All these can fall under pan Kmtywism too according to the videos definition.

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Ekwensu007;225701 wrote: I would like to see John Henrik Clarke's definition where Kemet fell under pan Kmtywism.

The video listed gives a definition where every "black" group uniting is "pan Kmtywism" and lists Songhai which participated in human trafficking with aAmws.
I said Oyo and Dahomey (human trafficking kingdoms) were equally "Pan Kmtyw". Kemet also engaged in human trafficking.

My definition of pan Kmtywism:
The term Kmtyw has multiple definitions and originates from Romans who conquered a tribe and everyone in the land south got called Kmtyws. Regardless of skin color or heritage. Which is why the video says Black slash Kmtyw. Kmtyw can mean anything. Then to add the Greek prefix pan and latin suffix ism is triple mental colonization.

It's just a word which our miseducated Black academia, came up with in eureurasiaan colleges and eureurasiaan political conferences. The talented tenth idea where you go to a college and are the king of all negros.

Indigenous governments and confederations were not contacted or given updates.

100 years later Chinweizu is saying pan Kmtywism failed and black academia instead of looking in the mirror and saying they messed up, they point to indigenous confederations of the past and say they United because of "pan Kmtywism". Songhai traded "black" human beings based on dominating  Islamic trade with aAmws. Mali as well.
pretty sure Kemet traded prisoners of war.

My statement that Dahomey and Oyo was as pan Kmtyw as Kemet stands. Especially if Mali and Songhai fall into Pan Kmtywism based on Dr Kambons video presentation. The difference being Dahomey and Oyo traded with white eureurasiaan Christians and Mali and Songhai traded with white aAmw Muslims. According to the video pan Kmtywism is in part responsible for the slave trade. People never say pan Kmtywism is responsible for slavery they say "tribalism" choosing to attack indigenous confederations without going in depth and facing hard internal crisis and critical contradictions

The video proves my point I was right to question the definition of pan Kmtywism and contradictions.

If a person can't criticise and change  failed plans, doctrines and speeches they will always repeat failure and never be greater. That's why I asked for Dr. John Henrik Clarke's definition of pan Kmtywism.
I appreciate academia but I don't want to blindly follow or blame the masses. I want working plans and systems for confederation and definitions for "Black" people.

John Henrik Clarke was wrong here. Kemet was a product of "Maat" and "Sema". It's best described as a legal "tribal" system and association. Tribal as in based on group contributions, group economics and group rewards and punishments.

The Kalenjiin still have maat a confederation system and it also means fire, shared knowledge and life.
The Igbo have amako (confederation, cultivation together) and mboko (gathering)
The BaKongo have Mbongi (clasping, gathering)
The Akan languages it becomes feku (association, union, fraternity, confederation).

This is where Freemasonry gets it from. It's a degraded, malnutritioned indigenous system. from Freemasonry you get Marcus Garvey's UNIA-ACL, the nation of Islam or "tribe of Shabazz" which claims a light skinned origin in "Mecca", the Moorish science Temple of America which claims an eurasiatic nationality with Turks, Hindus and so on in their doctrine, Nuwaupians which were led by a sex predator.

All these can fall under pan Kmtywism too according to the videos definition.

Ok my brother.  Thank you.

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The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.
Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed

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kevlew;225703 wrote: Ok my brother.  Thank you.

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The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.
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Best possible response.

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Obadele Kambon;225724 wrote: Best possible response.

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Only a foolish fly follows a corpse into the grave

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The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.
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kevlew;225765 wrote: Only a foolish fly follows a corpse into the grave

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The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.
Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed

Smart fly!

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[Chizoro Okeke]

Even Chinweizu admitted "Pan Kmtywism" failed and that "Kmtyw" (and by extension Pan Kmtywism) has multiple definitions and "loopholes" that lead to its failure in the 20th century. The goals and nomenclature are being refined and cleared up.

No need to resort to insults.

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Here's the whole relevant part of the original quote:

“I define Pan-Kmtywism as any effort on the part of Kmtyw people to reclaim any portion of Kmt that has been taken away, mutilated, misunderstood, or misinterpreted by a non-Kmtyw to the detriment of Kmt. Therefore, my definition goes beyond the word, “Pan”, which means “all”. When I look back at the historical role and the historical manifestations of Pan Kmtywism, I deal with the first organized society in the Nile Valley, when the people of the South and the people of the North (the Upper and the Lower Nile) came together to roam a country now known to the world as Egypt…The unification of the Upper Nile and the Lower Nile was an act of Pan-Kmtywism, putting a portion of Kmt together for the whole of Kmt to be together.”[1]

[1] John Henrik Clarke, Who Betrayed the Kmtyw World Revolution? And Other Speeches (Chicago: Third World Press, 1994)., p. 102.