On the united snakesge of the term Kmtyw american-gctid51980

[Chance]

Yes, it's very apparent that black people are not really Amerikkkans from the way we are oppressed. I understand Farafina's point because that's how I was thinking of it. Just another way to give you background about me. However, I do recognize that language can produce deeper psychological symbols. For example in the english language all that is evil is associated with the word black. While on the continent red can be associated with evil. I ask "Why the difference?" These may just be word games but wouldn't it be counterproductive to reKmtywization AND dewhitenization for us to let subconscious symbols permeate our minds?

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Chance;212625 wrote: Yes, it's very apparent that black people are not really Amerikkkans from the way we are oppressed. I understand Farafina's point because that's how I was thinking of it. Just another way to give you background about me. However, I do recognize that language can produce deeper psychological symbols. For example in the english language all that is evil is associated with the word black. While on the continent red can be associated with evil. I ask "Why the difference?" These may just be word games but wouldn't it be counterproductive to reKmtywization AND dewhitenization for us to let subconscious symbols permeate our minds?

@Chance, I think you're on to something. I'm glad you're actually thinking about these issues of identity and who we give our allegiance to in the names we call ourselves by. After all, this is the reason why our enemies shove insanity, including such labels, down our throats daily.

[Chance]

Obadele Kambon;212637 wrote: @Chance, I think you're on to something. I'm glad you're actually thinking about these issues of identity and who we give our allegiance to in the names we call ourselves by. After all, this is the reason why our enemies shove insanity, including such labels, down our throats daily.

Thank you. Liberating my mind is my top priority. Hopefully soon, I will be able to converse through a language with our own Kmtyw symbols. Depending on my ability to learn.

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Chance;212644 wrote: Thank you. Liberating my mind is my top priority. Hopefully soon, I will be able to converse through a language with our own Kmtyw symbols. Depending on my ability to learn.

As it well should be. The elevation and enshrinement of double consciousness (read schizophrenia) in the term Kmtyw American is done by our enemies and those who blindly go along with such labels to keep us in a state of confusion with regard to our allegiance. Those who get into a raven symone type of clinging to integrationist schizophrenia and calling themselves any type of amerikkkan are likely influenced by years of saluting flags, celebrating the fourth of july, pledging allegiance, singing the national anthem, joining the military, etc. Luckily, I grew up in a family where we never engaged in such insanity, so my perspective is going be much different from those who did grow up doing so -- which is, unfortunately most of our people. While it's not feasible to "force" someone to stop naming himself after Amerigo Vespucci, or to get him out of the Stockholm Syndrome identifying with his enemy, it is possible to present other possibilities and let other, more sensible people, who question going along with the okie doke, come to their own conclusions. Dirty glass or clean glass? Drink up!

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[Farafina diɲɛ]

Obadele Kambon;212578 wrote: Greetings @Farafina diɲɛ! I didn't know you were coming from the Symonian school of thought.

I'm not and you know I'm not because you've read enough of my posts to know I don't share her delusions. My posts here also make clear that I'm anti-American and anti-Americanism in the same sense of the Min. Malcolm quote and your own stated positions. The psychic and material stain of associating oneself with the US persists no matter what we accessories to US criminality call ourselves. The devil's bargain we make is in residing in/working in/associating with in any way this degenerate and criminal pan-eureurasiaan project. Those of us who haven't yet made the only correct call -- repatriation -- will continue to confront the 'catch hell' reality here for as long as we refuse to repatriate. Besides being clumsy and attention-seeking in casual conversation, it wouldn't matter if I answered 'Kmtyw anti-American' or 'anti-American Kmtyw' to questions like 'where are you from' and 'what are you,' because by continuing to reside here, the deed is done.

As a side note, I have always preferred 'American Kmtyw' or 'US Kmtyw' for the descriptives-modifying-subjects reason you mentioned a few posts up. But its uncommon united snakesge means, like 'Kmtyw anti-American,' that its value as a colloquialism is currently nil. And with this kind of identity shorthand, colloquial value is the whole point.

[AsafoKwame]

Obadele Kambon;212578 wrote:  ... who should be named after Amerigo Vespucci and why.

What is the true origin of America? What is the true origin of Kmt? Isn't it better to claim our Ancestral inheritance from the beginning and purify as necessary?

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Farafina diɲɛ;212713 wrote: I'm not and you know I'm not because you've read enough of my posts to know I don't share her delusions. My posts here also make clear that I'm anti-American and anti-Americanism in the same sense of the Min. Malcolm quote and your own stated positions. The psychic and material stain of associating oneself with the US persists no matter what we accessories to US criminality call ourselves. The devil's bargain we make is in residing in/working in/associating with in any way this degenerate and criminal pan-eureurasiaan project. Those of us who haven't yet made the only correct call -- repatriation -- will continue to confront the 'catch hell' reality here for as long as we refuse to repatriate. Besides being clumsy and attention-seeking in casual conversation, it wouldn't matter if I answered 'Kmtyw anti-American' or 'anti-American Kmtyw' to questions like 'where are you from' and 'what are you,' because by continuing to reside here, the deed is done.

As a side note, I have always preferred 'American Kmtyw' or 'US Kmtyw' for the descriptives-modifying-subjects reason you mentioned a few posts up. But its uncommon united snakesge means, like 'Kmtyw anti-American,' that its value as a colloquialism is currently nil. And with this kind of identity shorthand, colloquial value is the whole point.

Greetings, you have made two incongruent statements. In the first one you say that you are not like her and then you go on to say all who have not repatriated are the same. Which is it? Either there are distinctions between you or all of you are the same? First you advocated saying you are a type of American, then you go on to say that you are an anti-American. Honestly, it seems like you haven't thought this thing through very well.

To a related point, there is a difference between position and trajectory. You can have two people in prison and one is content with staying in while another is intent on escaping. At a certain point those small nuances in terms of intent, objectives, and trajectory may make themselves known at the opportune time.
That is to say, there are levels to this. Even for someone who has repatriated, from experience, I know those who are here in Kmt but who celebrate Thanksgiving, Christmas, 4th of July, etcetera. I am even aware of Black people who work in the US Embassy and go there every day. There are those who are here physically, but their trajectory is firmly in the direction of amerikkka.
As someone who has repatriated, using the term Kmtyw anti-amerikkkan provides a teachable moment. I'm speaking from experience. There are many here who are under the impression that the streets of amerikkka are paved with gold and money grows on trees. In using the term anti-amerikkkan, it makes them question why would anyone be anti-amerikkkan? Thus begins the history lesson as well as a lesson in current events.
For you, colloquial value is the whole point. I'm not sure what your goals are, but going along with the throngs and multitude of people who do things that don't make sense is never my default in terms of decision making. I will look for what seems intelligent and move forward with that even if it's me alone.
At any rate, thanks for sharing and good luck with the double consciousness thing.

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AsafoKwame;212772 wrote: What is the true origin of America? What is the true origin of Kmt? Isn't it better to claim our Ancestral inheritance from the beginning and purify as necessary?

As for the terms, you can look up the etymologies or, as others prefer, you can make up your own etymology as you go along.

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[Agya Yaw]

Interesting thread. Meda ase pa for all the questions raised and answered.

I have described myself as an Kmtyw in america or an Kmtyw born in america myself. Tells where I was born and how I define myself (and us in america). It took me a while to get to this point in description. People have asked why I state it in such a way and that allows a deeper discussion. Which has provided fruitful dialog for all involved.

[AsafoKwame]

Obadele Kambon;212915 wrote: As for the terms, you can look up the  etymologies or, as others prefer, you can make up your own etymology as  you go along.

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Thanks for the suggestion. I've looked up etymologies and found the  claims that America was named after amerigo vespucci, but none of them  as strong as other claims indicating k_rakk_as just being k_rakk_as  by attempting to  misappropriate the name from indigenous origins to  amerigo vespucci. In other words, add one point when there's a claim  included that a k_rakk_a is lying.

Kmtyw=Black as you put it is sweet to my ears and eyes, very nice!

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You're welcome. I see you seem to be in a quandary between a rock and a hard place in terms of their propensity to lie vs. their propensity to steal and name things/places/people as they see fit.

Let me give you a hypothetical: For example, imagine that pale white eureurasians steal a person and decide to name him Ransford, Ratford, Ragford, or any silly name that they choose. Then imagine a well-meaning Kmtyw=Black person telling that same brother that rather than getting rid of an obvious "slave name," that he should keep it because they lied and it's really an Kmtyw=Black name and Ra means the sun, ns is flame, blah blah blah. Now a gullible descendant of enslaved Kmtyws would go along with the well-meaning okie doke and privilege the ability of eureurasians to lie (over their propensity to steal and label) and just go along with the teachings of anyone with a dictionary and an imagination. Meanwhile this Kmtyw=Black person himself is "Exhibit A" of their ability to steal and label as they see fit. I know several people who have been creatively convinced to keep "slave names" in this fashion. A more discerning thinker, however, would factor in the fact that his own ancestors were stolen and labeled as eureurasians (british, french, aAmws, chinese, indo-aryans, whoever) saw fit. Thus, we have (read they have/had) leopoldville, maryland, carolina, new york, rhodesia, rhode island, pennsylvania, louisiana, queensland, and I could keep going on ad infinitum. On a related note, there's actually a woman here in Ghana who's going around now saying maryland is really from the Ga language and it's really Merley-land---and she has many more where that came from, bless her heart. If we're going into the business of making up well-intentioned etymologies for all the places, people and things that they have stolen and labeled as they saw fit, in that case, we'll (read you'll) certainly have your work cut out for us (read you). In which case, by the way, I'm really looking forward to what you guys come up with for new zealand, new caledonia, new jersey, new brunswick, st. louis, nova scotia, prince edward island, charleston, georgia, and others. If nothing else, this promises to be entertaining even if it may seem to more judicious and discerning Kmtyws=Black people to be an exercise in futility at best or a tragic comedy at worst.

Personally, if my understanding of historical linguistics consisted of a dictionary and a dream, I'd probably leave the gullible to the business of folk etymology and get to renaming myself first rather than going along with the well-intended okie doke. If not, I can always put our hypothetical Mr. Ransford (a surprisingly common name here in neo-colonial Ghana) in touch with the Ga lady in case the Kemetic etymology isn't ridiculous enough for him.

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Agya Yaw;213011 wrote: Interesting thread. Meda ase pa for all the questions raised and answered.

I have described myself as an Kmtyw in america or an Kmtyw born in america myself. Tells where I was born and how I define myself (and us in america). It took me a while to get to this point in description. People have asked why I state it in such a way and that allows a deeper discussion. Which has provided fruitful dialog for all involved.

Yɛnni aseda. Congratulations on your refinement up to this point. I'm glad to hear that this leads to deeper discussion. You've created "teachable moments" rather than just going for the okie doke for the benefit of colloquial something or other.

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[Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀]

Great discussion.

"To hold a people in oppression you have to convince them first that they are supposed to be oppressed." John Henrik Clarke

[AsafoKwame]

Obadele Kambon;213162 wrote: You're welcome. I see you seem to be in a quandary between a rock and a hard place in terms of their propensity to lie vs. their propensity to steal and name things/places/people as they see fit.

Nope, as for the etymology claims of america, I'm not quandaring between such a rock and a hard place, as a liar and a thief, a clinton|obama|trump and a clinton|obama|trump so I suppose your well-intentioned hypothetical is irrelevant just like any false etymology should be.

I suspect I was not clear in my advocating for Hwehwemudua. I also seek, advocate and request sincere, mature investigation, examination, and discussion. Little by little, I (please read we) must do the work to restore truth and balance which includes cutting out false etymologies (dewhitenizing) and restoring the proper true names (reKmtywizing) for all the misnamed places you mention.

[Tenkamenin]

AsafoKwame;213315 wrote: Nope, as for the etymology claims of america, I'm not quandaring between such a rock and a hard place, as a liar and a thief, a clinton|obama|trump and a clinton|obama|trump so I suppose your well-intentioned hypothetical is irrelevant just like any false etymology should be.

I suspect I was not clear in my advocating for Hwehwemudua. I also seek, advocate and request sincere, mature investigation, examination, and discussion. Little by little, I (please read we) must do the work to restore truth and balance which includes cutting out false etymologies (dewhitenizing) and restoring the proper true names (reKmtywizing) for all the misnamed places you mention.

It's interesting that you say we must cut out the false etymologies, because in the other thread about the origin of the word "Kmt" you said we should be able to write the word "Afur-koko" in both or any beautiful way. This supports false etymologies.