We are excited to announce that we will have the honor to host Dr. Kamalu for a 2 hour discussion on his book and the various topics on Kmtyw Thought. If you do not have the book I strongly encourage getting it. This work was the primary read in the Foundation of Kmtyw Thought Course!!
When: August 5, 2017
Time: 2pm - 4pm EST
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See the flyer.................................
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Quiet as kept, one of our best!!!
Obadele Kambon;242328 wrote: Quiet as kept, one of our best!!!
Can't wait.
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Re-reading to formulate some questions. Pages 87-89 are my current focus on Kmtyw perspectives on good and evil and complementary opposites.
What are your questions on Kmtyw Thought?
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Bump
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Amilcar Cabral
The idea of the person in Kmtyw Thought is not that of western philosophy where he or she is seen, more or less, as a single entity; or just as mind and body. He or she is instead seen as being a collection of spiritual and physical entities. (Kamalu, pg 51).
Thoughts, comments, feedback on this quote?
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I'm trying to get this book on time for the discussion. The Kmtyw bookstore I went to didn't have it, so they had to order a copy from Dr. Kamalu.
Chance;242665 wrote: I'm trying to get this book on time for the discussion. The Kmtyw bookstore I went to didn't have it, so they had to order a copy from Dr. Kamalu.
Kmtworld press
http://Kmtworldpressbooks.com/ (http://kmtworldpressbooks.com/)
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http://Kmtworldpressbooks.com/person-divinity-and-nature-a-modern-view-of-the-person-and-the-cosmos-in-Kmtyw-thought-by-chukwunyere-kamalu/ (http://kmtworldpressbooks.com/person-divinity-and-nature-a-modern-view-of-the-person-and-the-cosmos-in-Kmtyw-thought-by-chukwunyere-kamalu/)
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Wow. I would've had it a while ago if i knew this existed. I shoulda asked here first. Meda ase
One of a few I order from.
http://www.afriwarebooks.com/ (http://www.afriwarebooks.com/)
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Other one...between these three they should have what you are looking for ....http://www.blackclassicbooks.com/ (http://www.blackclassicbooks.com/)
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Amilcar Cabral
Chance;242668 wrote: Wow. I would've had it a while ago if i knew this existed. I shoulda asked here first. Meda ase
Yɛnni aseda
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Amilcar Cabral
kevlew;242670 wrote: One of a few I order from.
http://www.afriwarebooks.com/ (http://www.afriwarebooks.com/)
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Amilcar Cabral
Meda ase pa ara! I was struggling to get what I want AND support m'abusua.
Thanks for setting this up. My daughter is having her birthday party that day but I will definitely be on.
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Tenkamenin;242674 wrote: Thanks for setting this up. My daughter is having her birthday party that day but I will definitely be on.
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Bɔkɔɔ
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Tenkamenin;242674 wrote: Thanks for setting this up. My daughter is having her birthday party that day but I will definitely be on.
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Actually we need to schedule our next meeting as well. I believe @Obadele Kambon is interested in joining. If anyone else is interested we meet to discuss the book and bring supplemental readings as well.
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Amilcar Cabral
kevlew;242491 wrote: Re-reading to formulate some questions. Pages 87-89 are my current focus on Kmtyw perspectives on good and evil and complementary opposites.
What are your questions on Kmtyw Thought?
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Amilcar Cabral
I typed up my notes on my work computer. I will have to post my questions tomorrow or on Thursday.
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Tenkamenin;242678 wrote: I typed up my notes on my work computer. I will have to post my questions tomorrow or on Thursday.
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Ok cool. I posted a question earlier
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@Rashan. Here is the discussion
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Thank you
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@Longwayii
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I was able to get me a copy. I'm thinking I can read it in time for the discussion.
Chance;243299 wrote: I was able to get me a copy. I'm thinking I can read it in time for the discussion.
Maybe read those sections that are most important to you at this time or want to have questions answered for the discussion. We will be having meetings to discuss the work monthly as well.
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Chance;243299 wrote: I was able to get me a copy. I'm thinking I can read it in time for the discussion.
Either way glad you will be joining us.
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kevlew;243304 wrote: Maybe read those sections that are most important to you at this time or want to have questions answered for the discussion. We will be having meetings to discuss the work monthly as well.
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Will do
" It is a cornerstone of Kmtyw ontology that nothing exists of itself; rather beings and things exist in relation to other beings and things."Kamalu of 159
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Chukwunyere Kamalu is the author of several books on Kmtyw philosophy and culture including Foundations of Kmtyw Thought (1990); Person Divinity and Nature (1998); The Little Kmtyw History Book (2007); The Word at Face Value (2012, 2016). Chukwunyere has taught at the University of Reading (Black Studies and Social Psychology) and the University of the Arts, ukkk (Kmtyw philosophy ).
Chukwunyere is a trained research earth scientist and civil engineer, currently acting (since 2012) in the voluntary role of Chair of the Society of Kmtyw Earth Scientists (saescientists.blogspot.com ). He also works in professional capacity as a financial accountant ( for past 20 years) and as a maths and science tutor in an Kmtyw supplementary school since 2014.
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Tomorrow 2pmEST join us and bring a friend!
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All attending, please choose to dial in and use the access code or join via the internet but please do not do both at the same time. This will cause a lot of feedback. Meda mo ase...
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I'm excited about tomorrow's discussion! :D
Tenkamenin;244088 wrote: I'm excited about tomorrow's discussion! :D
So am I man...
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Tenkamenin;244088 wrote: I'm excited about tomorrow's discussion! :D
I am actually meeting with Dr. Kamalu at 11am to make sure everything is straight for the discussion.
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kevlew;244090 wrote: I am actually meeting with Dr. Kamalu at 11am to make sure everything is straight for the discussion.
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You da man! Your interviews are always insightful and filled with intelligent questions. Thanks for setting this up!
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Tenkamenin;244092 wrote: You da man! Your interviews are always insightful and filled with intelligent questions. Thanks for setting this up!
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Nah....just doing what I can until I can do more.
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I'm going to have to be in the background. I'm still setting up stuff for my daughters birthday party.
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Tenkamenin;244155 wrote: I'm going to have to be in the background. I'm still setting up stuff for my daughters birthday party.
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No problem. Recording on the way
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BlackTastic, thought-provoking event!
Obadele Kambon;244162 wrote: BlackTastic, thought-provoking event!
Meda wo ase ! Already excited for the 2nd part! Gonna start at 1pm next time I am thinking
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There were a few follow up questions at the end of the discussion. Please let me know what they were and I will pose. Look for part 2 coming soon!!
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Amilcar Cabral
I look forward to part 2, I really enjoyed the call.
All I wanted to share this feedback from Dr. Kamalu that he emailed me.
Next discussion I would like to give more time to addressing one of the final questions raised by Institute for Kmtyw Studies in relation to the charge of "essentialising" a broad range of Kmtyw belief systems. As I said last night one is not claiming that there are not many varied belief systems among Kmtyw language groups. However, returning back to Kemetic traditions we are more able to appreciate that there are essential aspects of Kmtyw thought that are common, so that although we are not saying there is one absolute Kmtyw worldview, these common aspects can be viewed systemically, so that in a broad sense Kmtyws do have a view of the world that considers all of the essential areas of universal philosophical concern that is more or less unique to the continent when we look at ideas of the person and the cosmos. Last night I gave the examples of ideas of the person as multiple selves through the continent and in antiquity, and the emergence of the creation of the world from a primeval inundation. But I could have also referred to the way in which Kmtyws use number and divination, the cycle of the continuity of the living the ancestors and the unborn, the kinship of human community and the plant kingdom as shown in the planting of the umbilical cord the with seed of the mango tree, etc . I earlier had also given a further example, such as the aloofness of the supreme being through the continent and in antiquity and the separation of earth/sky, heaven/earth, visible world/invisible world as illustrated in Kmtyw mythology. There are so many aspects of Kmtyw thought among different Kmtyw language groups that are common, it would be wrong to dismiss the correlations and this would only serve to make Kmtyw beliefs appear more disparate and nonsensical and seemingly without system or logical basis, which is not the case. I hope to cover this better in our next discussion.
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Amilcar Cabral
kevlew;244203 wrote: All I wanted to share this feedback from Dr. Kamalu that he emailed me.
Next discussion I would like to give more time to addressing one of the final questions raised by Institute for Kmtyw Studies in relation to the charge of "essentialising" a broad range of Kmtyw belief systems. As I said last night one is not claiming that there are not many varied belief systems among Kmtyw language groups. However, returning back to Kemetic traditions we are more able to appreciate that there are essential aspects of Kmtyw thought that are common, so that although we are not saying there is one absolute Kmtyw worldview, these common aspects can be viewed systemically, so that in a broad sense Kmtyws do have a view of the world that considers all of the essential areas of universal philosophical concern that is more or less unique to the continent when we look at ideas of the person and the cosmos. Last night I gave the examples of ideas of the person as multiple selves through the continent and in antiquity, and the emergence of the creation of the world from a primeval inundation. But I could have also referred to the way in which Kmtyws use number and divination, the cycle of the continuity of the living the ancestors and the unborn, the kinship of human community and the plant kingdom as shown in the planting of the umbilical cord the with seed of the mango tree, etc . I earlier had also given a further example, such as the aloofness of the supreme being through the continent and in antiquity and the separation of earth/sky, heaven/earth, visible world/invisible world as illustrated in Kmtyw mythology. There are so many aspects of Kmtyw thought among different Kmtyw language groups that are common, it would be wrong to dismiss the correlations and this would only serve to make Kmtyw beliefs appear more disparate and nonsensical and seemingly without system or logical basis, which is not the case. I hope to cover this better in our next discussion.
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Amilcar Cabral
Hey Kevlew! I just finished listening to part 2 yesterday. Great interview! In the book I found the concept of multiple selves very interesting, especially in regards to schizophrenia. I think having this understanding would be very beneficial in Kmtyw psychology. I'm trying to understand this concept better myself. Are these "selves" different aspects of the Supreme Being that come together in our bodies to help us to fulfill our destinies? Could they be equated to the chakra system? Also, would the heart self (thinking/feeling part of our selves) be equivalent to the ego, and the ancestral self be equivlalent to our DNA?
Ayawale Ewende;247948 wrote: Hey Kevlew! I just finished listening to part 2 yesterday. Great interview! In the book I found the concept of multiple selves very interesting, especially in regards to schizophrenia. I think having this understanding would be very beneficial in Kmtyw psychology. I'm trying to understand this concept better myself. Are these "selves" different aspects of the Supreme Being that come together in our bodies to help us to fulfill our destinies? Could they be equated to the chakra system? Also, would the heart self (thinking/feeling part of our selves) be equivalent to the ego, and the ancestral self be equivlalent to our DNA?
Meda wo ase me nua. Allow me to respond later. I want to give some references if possible.
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The equal sign will kill our people
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Obadele Kambon;247954 wrote: The equal sign will kill our people
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Haha...yes indeed. This was definitely going to be part of the response
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Obadele Kambon;247954 wrote: The equal sign will kill our people
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Are you saying that it is wrong to make absolute comparisons? If that is the case, what would be the Kmtyw way to understand the different selves? I was trying to use those things as a reference of understanding. I just recently got out of the New Age movement, so that is the only reference of understanding I have to go on.
I do not comment on many topics as I am unlearned. However, as a former "New Ager" I feel more than qualified:
The Kmtyw metaphysical concepts are true and even verifiable in no comparison to the Eureurasian weak attempts to explain reality. The concept of Man-God are one of the greatest misinterpretations of Kmtyw sciences. In regard to the "spirit" the Afrocentric view is that we have multiple layers that exist simultaneously in different realms. None to be confused with the idea of one of those realms to be equated with "the all"... instead we as beings do have divinity, however not until we reach the ancestral realm. As the good Dr. says (Brother Obadele) "the equal sign will kill us".....having those false pretenses such as "have ye not heard that ye are gods" opens the door for us to lose reverence and even a placement for ancestors, deitys and even the Creator as well. Someone else can chime in here @kevlew or @obadele to support or contest, but the Kmtyw cosmogony says that our ultimate purpose is to become ancestors vs the Eureurasian/New Age idea of absorbing as a spirit entity back into oneness with God. How selfish and base would it be to struggle through incarnations ONLY to go back to God vs Evolving into an Ancestor and being a perpetual guide to your descendants and progeny?
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Ayawale Ewende;247957 wrote: Are you saying that it is wrong to make absolute comparisons? If that is the case, what would be the Kmtyw way to understand the different selves? I was trying to use those things as a reference of understanding. I just recently got out of the New Age movement, so that is the only reference of understanding I have to go on.
There are two quotes that I keep in my signature that speak directly to this issue:
"Kmtyw champions must break the chain that links Kmtyw ideas to eureurasiaan ones and listen to the voice of the ancestors without eureurasiaan interpreters."
-Jacob Carruthers, "Mdw Ntr"
Ma ku Mbôngi, ka matômbulawanga za ko.
"The community's political institution does not borrow foreign dialects to discuss its' political matters or to educate its' members"
- Kikongo proverb
Try to read Dr. Kamalu's book Person, Divinity and Nature and specifically the section on the human being as multiple selves.
In the meantime, you can check our class discussions on the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYwdKiGW5c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYwdKiGW5c) (Audio only)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT7TLrKI3sI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT7TLrKI3sI) (Audio only)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT6r6gncWJY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT6r6gncWJY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce9xvdB_phg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce9xvdB_phg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sHhYDZ9Tcc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sHhYDZ9Tcc)
Ayawale Ewende;247957 wrote: Are you saying that it is wrong to make absolute comparisons? If that is the case, what would be the Kmtyw way to understand the different selves? I was trying to use those things as a reference of understanding. I just recently got out of the New Age movement, so that is the only reference of understanding I have to go on.
Basically, it is impossible to try to understand Kmtyw Thought or systems through the eureurasian worldview by saying "this is means this" or isn't this the same as this. What happens is the Kmtyw concepts will be compartmentalized into a small box that is the eureurasian worldview and what happens is our concepts become minimized and in some cases even forgotten. For example the term god.. you will see eureurasians and others say things like Ra, Ptah, Amun, etc is "God". And by saying this we neglect the linguistic, cultural, cosmological, etc explanations that give the understanding from an Kmtyw worldview to the point that as we can see today some even not using the indigenous term to refer to the Supreme Being but rather saying god. This term god is of a eureurasian origin etymologically and it comes with the anti-Kmtyw baggage that is the eureurasian understanding or better yet inability to comprehend the Kmtyw Thought. We can apply this to any attempt to try and understand Kmtyw Thought and/or concepts as they are not separate from each other as with the eureurasian worldview. Example you gave is chakra.. consider the deep Kmtyw understanding of the multiple selves as described in Kamalu's book and the discussion he gave here. This term chakra:
chak·ra
ˈCHäkrə/Submit
noun
noun: chakra; plural noun: chakras
(in Indian thought) each of the centers of spiritual power in the human body, usually considered to be seven in number.
Origin
from Sanskrit cakra 'wheel or circle,' from an Indo-eureurasiaan base meaning 'turn,' shared by wheel. * see reference below
As we can see the term itself is of eureurasian origin and with that comes the worldview and baggage of their worldview (man is evil, man over woman, woman is to be owned, male concept of deities...etc etc in other words anti-Kmtyw)
It may be possible to say that aspects of what they are saying was derived from an Kmtyw understanding but at the point where it differs is what should prohibit from saying "equals" or "the same" or "this the same as".
Thing is it is impossible to accept one aspect and not accept the whole. For example we can say for example that Christianity, Islam , or Judaism originated in Kmt. Well then if that is the case the very foundational thought of original sin, women is evil, there is a devil that is as powerful as the Supreme Being, heaven and hell, some being died for your sins, man is inherently evil by nature, when you die that is it...go to heaven or burn in hell for eternity....these have to be accepted if we make this claim of origin. But as we analyze what is Kmtyw we see these are non-existent throughout the continent to the extent there is eureurasian influence. If we use "God" what we are saying is we agree with all the above. Understand? Language is paramount and the terms we use reflect the
Instead to understand we should draw upon Kmtyw understandings and laterally on the continent and not forward (toward eureurasians/backwards (only in our individual village).
This is to me is the very critical importance of Dr. Kamalu's book as it provides those references for us to explore from the Kmtyw worldview.
I hope this helps....
* Reference: https://www.google.com/search?q=chakra+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari (https://www.google.com/search?q=chakra+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari)
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It's gonna take some time to kill the Becky inside of me brothas, lol! Ok, I get it. There are certain aspects of those New Age beliefs that are similiar to Kmtyw philosophy, but it is erroneous to equate one to the other. The sad thing is that I've thought with a Eurocentric mind for so long, it's difficult to grasps some of these Kmtyw concepts. One day Becky will be dead, and Ayawale will be free. This is the message I got from my Destiny Self, "You have an Kmtyw mind, but you don't know it yet. Your eureurasiaan mind is keeping you from accessing all that brilliance that is inside of you. Once you kill the eureurasiaan inside you, the Kmtyw you will be free."
Obadele, I will check out the videos you linked. I'm already reading the book. Kevlew, I'm going to check out the link you provided. If I have any more questions, I'll make sure I don't make Eureurasian comparisons ; ) Thanks brothas!
Ayawale Ewende;247948 wrote: Hey Kevlew! I just finished listening to part 2 yesterday. Great interview! In the book I found the concept of multiple selves very interesting, especially in regards to schizophrenia. I think having this understanding would be very beneficial in Kmtyw psychology. I'm trying to understand this concept better myself. Are these "selves" different aspects of the Supreme Being that come together in our bodies to help us to fulfill our destinies? Could they be equated to the chakra system? Also, would the heart self (thinking/feeling part of our selves) be equivalent to the ego, and the ancestral self be equivlalent to our DNA?
Ok let me try to respond and please understand that I too and learning. We grow as we learn.
"I think having this understanding would be very beneficial in Kmtyw psychology"
The thing is, which is what Kamalu puts forth is , it is Kmtyw "philosophy" so the benefit is inherent from that perspective. This is what the book is laying out as a premise or foundation. What eureurasians are calling schizophrenia is there lack of comprehension of what the Kmtyw Thought is on the concepts of multiple selves. What winds up happening is they take or usurp our understanding...corrupt with their lack of or inability to grasp with their understand and then give it a term and say hey we are the authority on the self! Then sell it to the world as a universal thought and then classify what is Kmtyw as "ethno" this or primitive that....here again if we say our multiple selves is like schizophrenia then we fall into the trap of "the equal sign".
" Are these "selves" different aspects of the Supreme Being that come together in our bodies to help us to fulfill our destinies?"
https://youtu.be/ZVYwdKiGW5c (https://youtu.be/ZVYwdKiGW5c)
https://youtu.be/nT6r6gncWJY (https://youtu.be/nT6r6gncWJY)
https://youtu.be/Ce9xvdB_phg (https://youtu.be/Ce9xvdB_phg)
Kamalu:
Role of Chukwunyere Kamalu, Person, Divinity and Nature, 1998
• In the Kmtyw worldview, the person is viewed as a cluster of selves
• When these different entities are organised, they form a singular entity known as a
person
• The element that coordinates the others is the spiritual double (in this analysis, the
Sahu)
• When this unity breaks down we no longer have a balanced and centred person
• This all has implications for the understanding and treatment of mental illness!!!
• This raises the possibility of putting spirituality onto a scientific context
Person, Divinity & Nature, Kamalu 2008
"Also, would the heart self (thinking/feeling part of our selves) be equivalent to the ego, and the ancestral self be equivlalent to our DNA?"
I think you get the idea now about "equates" when it comes to trying to understanding terms. The crux of the issue is the linguistic deficiencies that exist in the "english" languages coupled with a worldview that is born out of what Chiek Anta Diop calls the Two Cradle Theory.
I hope this helps....and if I am in error I look to be corrected.
kevlew;247969 wrote: Ok let me try to respond and please understand that I too and learning. We grow as we learn.
"I think having this understanding would be very beneficial in Kmtyw psychology"
The thing is, which is what Kamalu puts forth is , it is Kmtyw "philosophy" so the benefit is inherent from that perspective. This is what the book is laying out as a premise or foundation. What eureurasians are calling schizophrenia is there lack of comprehension of what the Kmtyw Thought is on the concepts of multiple selves. What winds up happening is they take or usurp our understanding...corrupt with their lack of or inability to grasp with their understand and then give it a term and say hey we are the authority on the self! Then sell it to the world as a universal thought and then classify what is Kmtyw as "ethno" this or primitive that....here again if we say our multiple selves is like schizophrenia then we fall into the trap of "the equal sign".
" Are these "selves" different aspects of the Supreme Being that come together in our bodies to help us to fulfill our destinies?"
https://youtu.be/ZVYwdKiGW5c (https://youtu.be/ZVYwdKiGW5c)
https://youtu.be/nT6r6gncWJY (https://youtu.be/nT6r6gncWJY)
https://youtu.be/Ce9xvdB_phg (https://youtu.be/Ce9xvdB_phg)
Kamalu:
Role of Chukwunyere Kamalu, Person, Divinity and Nature, 1998
• In the Kmtyw worldview, the person is viewed as a cluster of selves
• When these different entities are organised, they form a singular entity known as a
person
• The element that coordinates the others is the spiritual double (in this analysis, the
Sahu)
• When this unity breaks down we no longer have a balanced and centred person
• This all has implications for the understanding and treatment of mental illness!!!
• This raises the possibility of putting spirituality onto a scientific context
Person, Divinity & Nature, Kamalu 2008
"Also, would the heart self (thinking/feeling part of our selves) be equivalent to the ego, and the ancestral self be equivlalent to our DNA?"
I think you get the idea now about "equates" when it comes to trying to understanding terms. The crux of the issue is the linguistic deficiencies that exist in the "english" languages coupled with a worldview that is born out of what Chiek Anta Diop calls the Two Cradle Theory.
I hope this helps....and if I am in error I look to be corrected.
Thanks again Kev for your insight and humility. I think you misunderstood me when I was talking about schizophrenia. I wasn't equating schizophrenia with the concept of our multiple selves. What I meant was, people who are Kmtyw psychologist (which is what I'm aspiring to become) who have this understanding of our multiple selves can help our brothers and sisters who have been misdiagnosed with this condition. These practitioners can, from an Kmtyw perspective, see the problem as an imbalance between the selves that needs to come back into alignment, rather than diagnosing them with schizophrenia and drugging them. Yes, I understand that the difficulty of using a bastard language to explain Kmtyw truths. Hence, the importance of learning to speak Kmtyw languages. That's on my check list. Thanks again!
Ayawale Ewende;247971 wrote: Thanks again Kev for your insight and humility. I think you misunderstood me when I was talking about schizophrenia. I wasn't equating schizophrenia with the concept of our multiple selves. What I meant was, people who are Kmtyw psychologist (which is what I'm aspiring to become) who have this understanding of our multiple selves can help our brothers and sisters who have been misdiagnosed with this condition. These practitioners can, from an Kmtyw perspective, see the problem as an imbalance between the selves that needs to come back into alignment, rather than diagnosing them with schizophrenia and drugging them. Yes, I understand that the difficulty of using a bastard language to explain Kmtyw truths. Hence, the importance of learning to speak Kmtyw languages. That's on my check list. Thanks again!
My bad sis. I did misunderstand. Thanks for the correction. I got you.
I am because you are....
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We must act as if we answer to, and only answer to, our Ancestors, our children, and the unborn.
Amilcar Cabral
I can't believe I missed this talk.
Is it possible to purchase the recordings? And a pdf of the book if Abibitumi.com is willing to offer a copy for sale?